Charlotte FC star player Wilfred Zaha received a red card for two incidents during Charlotte’s Decision Day match against the Philadelphia Union. Was Zaha right to be upset at the treatment from the Union? Plus, two DOGSO incidents to review in the match between the Vancouver Whitecaps and FC Dallas. Andrew Wiebe reviews it all from Decision Day in this week’s Instant Replay!
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Sorry but nashville has been screwed over by hand balls in the box all year. Every time the roles are reversed, they don't give a PK because "there was a deflection" or "He was to close to the ball when it was deflected to react". But, its Miami so im not surprised.
With the Abubakar play, he was yards off the ball so making an attempt on the ball when you are 100 yards away from the ball isn't an attempt on the ball … It's using your body to bring your opponent down cause you made a bad play!! DOGSO and he's gone with a red card!!
Does Luna even make contact with the face? I agree that it's negligible if it even happens at all. I haven't yet to see an angle where I see any contact to the face. He's clearly just trying to push off the guy in the chest. Anybody who thinks otherwise is completely wrong and doesn't know anything about soccer or physics or anything.
Pathetic. Second yellow and should have been red for zaha on this one but no card for a headlock and throwing a player to the ground. Just pathetic and inconsistent. Super happy he's out. Should be getting a red card earlier in the season but either way, just happy he's getting punished.
In the very last play, why is the attacking team allowed to change the penalty taker? That seems a little like double Jeopardy to me for a single foul on the goalkeeper.
Nothing new from Zaha. Anyone who watches professional soccer knows he is easy to get heated and will lash out.
Once again, if a players arm is in an unnatural position that means they have been grievously injured and need to be taken to the hospital immediately.
Natural position means any position the arm should be able to occupy assuming nothing has gone horribly wrong. Iām not saying they need to change the rules but I am saying they need to change the language of the rules to fit human physiology.
Rare disagree with Wiebe, the Zaha decision was yellow at best. looks very negligible.
Weibe has got to be high if he thinks Abubakar is making an attempt on the ball.
If the first one is red, so is the 2nd
The problem with Lunaās yellow is that it was after VAR review. I donāt think it was clear and obviously a red. So why the review. Just to give him a yellow. Are we re-refereeing plays and players PRO doesnāt like?
How was Labordaās foul cynical enough to get a red but Dallas (INSIDE THE BOX) was not?
Clearly the MLS playing favourites as usual
The Vera call might have been legit, but we can't know because the Apple broadcast team refused to show any other angles at all. Did they only have one camera in the stadium?
Edited: The ball actually does appear to deflect off the defender at all. Itās kicked at point blank range by the attacker into the defenders arm which is in a natural position.
The ball into the defender deflects at close range not once but twice off the attacker foot and the defenderās leg before hitting the arm which is in a natural position for someone who is jumping. The ball isnāt heading toward the target. Not a handball. These videos are some of the dumbest takes MLS has to offer.
7:41 On the penalty retake clip, they could have also ordered the retake for encroachment by an RSL defender. That's what I initially noticed on first view, not the keeper off the goal line.
We need gender appropriate referees to accommodate players from marginalized countries to respect their cultures.
The Mateta saga got to Zaha
I have a negative understanding of handball calls
Superman himself, if not fouled by Laborda after that first touch, couldn't have sprinted to the ball before it was near the goal line on an extremely sharp angle for a shot and an even more difficult angle for a pass, which two other Vancouver defenders were covering. DOGSO on this is a ridiculous take, but what a surprise, precisely the one that makes on-a-roll Vancouver's task of getting one point at home for West #1 just difficult enough to not happen so on-the-ropes San Diego can be yet another expansion team that somehow turns into Prince Charming. Bogus goal to go down 1-nil? Nope, not enough, Muller and the rest of them would have come back easily 11 on 11. Maybe call virtually every foul on Vancouver and ignore whatever Dallas did? No, we did that before in San Diego and it might get noticed. The only way to stop the Caps was to get them down a man early and hope Dallas could convert on the 80 minute power play. And, voila, your wish is PRO's command!
Was at the Vancouver game. At no time did Abubakar make a play on the ball. His sole intent was to knock Sabbi over and deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Any rationalization to the opposite is silly. VAR is a complete sham and I think was instituted to punish Vancouver whenever possible.
5:20 how on earth is this considered a genuine attempt at the ball. Heās not even close, sticks his arm out into Sabbis face and falls on him taking out his legs. Youāve got to be kidding me if you believe this is an attempt on the ball.
Dude I miss extratime.
Since everything went away I sincerely care less about mls. You ruined everything that was the core of this league.
10&8 should have both gotten a yellow for that
4:09 of course this is DOGSO. With VAR, itās a much easier decision because a) heās in possession with a clear 1:1 with the GK, 2) he has a teammate available as an option on the GK, 3) the GK is out of the goal area so a chip is on the table, 4) the other defender is not in a position to challenge before a shot.
In the professional game, a good player has a shot on goal, no question. And of course, the foul is NOT a challenge for the ball.
Hey when Miami plays LA FC in the final are we going to give a borderline dogso call one way putting miami 10 vs 11 for 80 minutes at home? Would that rule be interpreted the same way? Would VAR call down after a yellow was awarded and convince Allan Chapman to hand Miami a red card? Would a more cynical challenge committed by the other team against Miami, in the box, later in the game, be completely ignored because dogso standard just changed during the same game? Would VAR decide not to call down to have that second play reviewed? Would Andrew Wieb then white wash the result a few days later explaining it all like it was normal? Nah didn't think so.
6:15 How is it the ācorrect decisionā in your book if there was no contact and Jordan Morris goes down, simulating a foul, yet doesnāt get a yellow card? This is still the biggest flaw in PRO. MLS will remain the international laughing stock and many potential North American fans will be turned off as long as there are no consequences for diving. Pathetic.
What about Aboubakar's second yellow that was clearly not called by the ref?
02:26 Kunta Kinte would not be impressed
Now the first yellow is in my option questionable for Wilf but no doubt the second was a yellow maybe even a red but I really strongly dislike Mrs penso and I know every Charlotte fan will agree as sheās been awful for us especially over the years
Bullshit on the DOGSO rationale against Vancouver. No way that should have gone to VAR. It seems that Instant Replay is mostly about trying to smooth over the shitty refereeing in this league. Allen Champman, Tori Penso, Tim Ford – the list goes on for referees in this league who just get in the way.
To be an obvious denial of a goal scoring opportunity, both Van and Dallas both player were relatively side by side (not from the back) and both lifted their legs to kick the ball at the same time. To be denial of a goal scoring opportunity a player has to show he does have complete control of the ball, not first to touch the ball. Not enough to show complete control. Yellow card.
Andrew, you gotta explain to me exactly what moment the Dallas defender is attempting to make a play on the ball.
I feel like the two dogsos in Vancouver shown together like this just prove that the bar is now too high for what counts as dogso in the box and what doesn't, especially given the difference in punishment. Here you have one dogso from outside the box punished way more harshly than the one in the box even though the one in the box has a higher probability of being converted into a goal. Yes, the one in the box gets a penalty kick restoring the attacker's chance at goal. But red cards are known to change the outcome of the entire game where winning is down somewhere in the teens percentage, red card home xg is usually less than 1 and the opponent's nears 2 and these are calculated without accounting for when a red card is given.
Look at this from a player's perspective, you can now basically charge into a player from behind in the box since it's a "clumsy challenge" for the ball, knowing that won't get you sent off whereas you have to be dancing in ballerina shoes around the attacker some 20 yards out from goal. And that's if you're aware enough to know you're in a situation that ticks off the 4 checkboxes on dogso outside the box.
If you say ZAHA deserves a red for contact to the head, but you say contact to the head from LUNA is ok? Youāre kidding right? š¤¦š¼āāļø
Unless I'm missing something, I really don't see what Zaha did to get that first yellow. He appeared to put his hands on his own player to pull him back. This looks like a case of the referee wanting to show they have the situation handled so they grab a player from each team to caution. I don't know what had happened in the game up to this point, but looking at that incident by itself, there were no cards needed. That was pretty much just teammates pulling back their own teammates.
Of course, that 2nd incident puts him on the bench next week all by itself.
in what world is that a possible red for Zaha? He barely makes any contact, if he makes any at all. I get the yellow for intent alone, but I don't get how that could ever be a red.
lori penso continuing to being one of the worst referees ever. just a reminder that nwsl fired her!
Laborda constantly does shady things. He got away with stuff last match between the Sounders and Whitecaps. There are consequences.
I think you guys act stupid on purpose to get a conversation going on the comments
These are dumb
here's where I have the problem with that DOGSO in Vancouver. Between the yellow card was given and when VAR was used and the subsequent red was about 5 minutes or so. Therefore it wasn't clear or obvious to me. Now if Chapman gave the red right away then fair enough.
Wait, on the first Zaha yellow, neither he nor Danley are anywhere near the ball when the confrontation begins.
Several seconds earlier, Danley does foul Zaha, and that should be that, but Ashley Westwood comes over and grabs Danley by the neck. This goes completely unpunished. Another biblical stinker by Tori Penso, the most incompetent and corrupt referee in a league known for it's incompetent and corrupt referees. Weibe get your head out of your ass
When this guys jumps up and his arm is away from his body, it's natural. When that guy does it, it isn't natural. I'll bet if you polled each PRO ref about what a natural arm position is while jumping (or falling, or sliding, etc.), you would get vastly different answers.